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Re: Help

From:

Mary Lanser <[log in to unmask]>

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Orthodox Christianity <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:14:04 -0400

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At 07:23 PM 04/28/2004, you wrote:
>---------------------- Information from the mail header
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>Sender:       Orthodox Christianity <[log in to unmask]>
>Poster:       "Rev. Sergei Overt" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject:      Re: Help
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>
>The most "official book" is of course
>is Fr. John Meyendorff's _Marriage: An Orthodox Perspective_,
>St. Vladimir's Seminary Press,1984.

All right....I do not have this one of Father John's.  Although last night
I finally found "For the Life of the World,"  lodged between "The New Joys
of Jell-o" and Frank Delaney's "The Celts"....so God only knows in this
house.  Schmemann's essay on the "Mystery of Love" is indeed masterful, and
worth bringing to the fore here.  As you said:

**FrS:  In _ For the Life of the Word_, by Fr. Alexander Schmemann
St. Vladimir's Seminary Press,1973, on pages 81-94, I
encourage all to read his beautiful and profound words.

**Mary:   Of course I particularly love the strong connection that he draws
between matrimony and holy orders, and to that I would add the consecrated
religious life though that is more sacramental life than sacrament,
liturgically and ecclesiastically, and it is the liturgical connection that
he remarks beautifully.

I also think his "definition" of chastity, though it is not offered as a
clear cut definition, is as good as any old Carmelite definition that I
have ever found, when he speaks of the virginity of the Mother of God as a
wholeness of love rather than an absence of anything.

Sometimes it is difficult to explain to people that celibacy is simply the
unmarried state and not a virtue, while chastity is an evangelical counsel,
and we are all called to it through our Baptism and the virtue of
Charity.  Chastity in marriage is the wholeness and generosity of love,
spiritual, intellectual and physical, no holding back, just as we are not
to hold back anything from our love of the Trinity.

_________________________________________________________________

Now, I warn you these are all attempts to explain Marriage and
>the Sacrament of Love from a very contemporary
>almost "radical" Orthodox experience.

Even Father John's book on marriage, or do you mean just Evdokimov and
Sherrard here?  Just having read Paul's book on women in the Church, I
think I have some clue as to what you are telling me here...A little any way.

>Orthodox catechism or Manual of Dogmatic Theology.
>For example in _Orthodox Dogmatic Theology_ by
>Fr. Michael Pomazansky, translated by
>Fr. Seraphim Rose, St. Herman Brotherhood,
>Platina, Calif. 1994, you will find on pages 301-304,
>this basic explanation of what is marriage for an
>Orthodox Christian.

If I could only afford one such book, you would recommend this one?...

>  All of this was written in the
>"good old days" of proper Christian morals, arranged marriages
>by parents, almost unheard of divorce and so on.....
>Today we need to explain everything to the most tiny detail,
>all aspects of the  Sacred Sacramental Union between a man and
>a woman and its implications from an Orthodox understanding.
>To encourage this with its proper implications
>of salvation in the married state as once the Church
>promoted celibacy and monasticism as a "higher calling".
>A proper Orthodox marriage today, I believe, also needs
>promotion as a "higher calling" because of the un-Christian
>environment the people of the Church live in where this
>Sacred and Sacramental approach to marriage is challenged.
>Evdokimov and Sherrard attempt to do this. No matter
>how controversial some might think this is.

Oh...here is more for my question above.  So, rather than particular
substantive issues initially,  the greater initial controversy comes out of
the attempts to "explain" more rather than less?  The need to itemize and
systematize,and analogize in contemporary language, as being generally
alien to Orthodox practice and theology as a primary emphasis?..... though
there are punctuated periods where this did happen...thankfully.... or we'd
still be in our pre-Nicene state or without benefit of the Capadocians,
Dyonisius or later St. Symeon or John the Damascene.

>Fr. Alexander Schmenann and Fr. Alexander Elchaninov also
>have some good thing to say about Orthodox Marriage.
>They are much more traditional then Evdokimov and Sherrard.

I do not recognize Father Alexander Elchaninov's name at all.  I'll have to
go a'hunting.

I tend to seek out the more traditional theological authors....There was a
time when I dropped theology books, in general, like hot bricks, and
focused my intellectual work solely on doctrinal teaching and patristics
and liturgical history.  But I think I have developed a foundation
sufficient to being a bit more brave now and have been able to identify
certain trends in theological thinking and writing more independently.  My
inclination is to go after the more traditional first...and then explore.

I cannot tell you how grateful I am to you for your time and effort and
commentary...mary

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